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Do Not Buy *Read Review*Posted
This laptop is so close to being a truly spectacular product, but 2 issues make it a must avoid, especially if you are getting this for gaming (rtx2080 of course you are. @@@@@@@ The first and most important issue is the fact that this model only comes in a single channel ram config, severely hamstringing an otherwise powerhouse of a machine. Why pair the most powerful mobile gpu available in a thin and light with a ram config that will cause a bottleneck in a lot of gaming titles? @@@@@@@@ up to a 20 percent performance hit depending on how it is optimized) To compound the issue further are the ram slots are located on the underside of the board, meaning you have to pull the motherboard out of this laptop to get to it which is no easy task. For 3000 dollars this is a mind boggling choice and deal breaker from MSI. Best Buy does not offer the 32 (2x16) option. The second issue is the screen lid and trackpad. While the screen on this laptop is absolutely gorgeous, the lid itself is questionably built at best. It falls closed if cracked open to about 30 degrees or less. @@@@@@@@ angle not temp) The track pad is also gorgeous, but due to the body flex it just feels sub par. Again, for 3k, build quality should not come into question. I want to love this product. So much so I nearly tore into it myself to fix half the issue, but I can't recommend it. For the price these issues are unforgivable, and anyone who games and is willing to drop this type of money deserves better. If you are dead set on this laptop, DO NOT BUY this model. Buy the 2080 paired with 32gigs of ram for the same price and save yourself a massive headache and enjoy the fps this laptop is actually capable of producing. @@@@@ Pros* -Gorgeous Screen -Solid Keyboard -Amazing storage potential (3 memory slots) -Beautiful design *Cons* Non user accessible (within reason) Single Channel Ram OK to questionable build quality Poor audio even for a thin and light
No, I would not recommend this to a friend
Depends on how much you pay for it.Posted
This Laptop is somewhat of an enigma to me. Decent value per $ for a 2080MQ thin and light 17" reputable branded laptop. This will run pretty much anything at 1080P ULTRA at over +100 FPS easily except probably the 2 ray traced games. Spec wise, this has everything you want when you are paying this much, maybe 32GB of ram or a 1440P screen would have been more ideal for this setup. Also this comes with 2 500GB SSD's in RAID 0. Great for speed, less reliability, but just know this is not a single 1TB SSD but rather two 500GB SSD's in RAID 0. But this Laptop really keeps going back and forth with me. Part of the reason I opted for the 17 was the immersion factor vs portability of the GS65. I am happy with that, however.... The screen is extremely nice for a 1080P 144hz(1440P 144hz would have been better for this graphics card), yet the hinge is really wobbly and cheap feeling and the creaking..... I have some creaks on the left side of the chassis when you put pressure on it. Build quality is terrible for a $3000 laptop. If you are able to get it for less, then it becomes kind of marginally worth it to me. The GS75 with the 2070 is probably more worth the $ at regular price. Also of note, this thing runs hot and takes some work, fine tuning, and maybe a little more work to get it running optimally. If you just pull it out of the box and run it on standard settings, it runs hot which becomes loud. theoretically if I had under volted the cpu and gpu and adjusted boost clocks, the temps "would" drop to a more comfortable level and they still get the same synthetic benchmark scores while not hitting 90C-92C... if you catch my drift. Overall, this is in the range of power of a desktop Skylake i7 and GTX 1070. It is hard to say I "need" that much power in a laptop, however if you must get a 2080MQ, this is probably the cheapest you can probably get for a reputable brand and thin and light. The Zephyrus 17 has slightly better build quality, and much better cooling and performance and gsync. It also cost more, has terrible battery because of gsync and has its own quirks because of the design you either love or hate the design, and chances are you hate it. The blade 17 still has a full 17 inch chassis and ugly and less practical fat borders, cost way more, and also has a 4k screen which means no high refresh rate and also you can't run 4k ultra on even a desktop RTX 2080 and hit 60 frames on most games, so forget about it on a Max Q version. So for a 17" with 2080MQ, this is decent but probably the best at this moment value for your money. The caveat is, you need know what you are buying/getting yourself into as this is a machine with a minus for every plus and vice versa. You are buying an apple priced machine with the build quality of $1000 HP. So you are really buying the components and not for them to make everything fit nicely together. Don't get me wrong, nothing on here is terrible or bad. It is just for the price you pay, you are getting a machine lacking $3000 polish and having to deal with smaller quality issues that you shouldn't. The GS65 with the 2080MQ on here only comes with a 256GB ssd which is a non starter for me, however it is $300 cheaper. The blade 15 would be my preferred 15"laptop with the 2080. For the 2070 or 2060's in 15" the GS65 is my preferred choice due to cost vs the Blade. Also I think RTX is undervalued for laptops because while they only seem to pull out a modest performance increase over GTX, they do so with lower TDP's and less heat which is extremely important for laptops and more so for these thin and lights. Thermals are the largest restriction for Thin and lights right now. The clocks and voltages for the CPUs and GPUs are way down compared to what they could be in a properly cooled normal laptop. It is easy to see when you look at the same CPUs and GPUs in larger laptops. So you are buying thin and light, which means you are also buying less power for the same given components.
I would recommend this to a friend
A beast of a machine with a few minor flawsPosted
Let me start this off by letting you know that I'm not a gamer. I'm an architect. I don't need the latest and greatest hardware to push framerates, but I do need some horsepower when I'm trying to generate photorealistic renderings of buildings from my 3D BIM models to show my clients. So, on paper, the GS75 Stealth 093 appealed to me on many levels. First, architectural rendering is all about ray tracing. The way the light (both sunlight and from light fixtures and reflections) plays with a building is everything, especially to the clients. Until now, trying to simulate ray tracing with non-specialized, consumer-level hardware took absolutely forever and essentially required a dedicated machine to use if you wanted to keep working while another rig crunched on the picture. For big or important jobs, it was usually easier and quicker to sub the job out to a 3rd party with beefier hardware. However, it looks like the new RTX cards have changed all that. The popular rendering plugins absolutely love this laptop and its nVidia RTX 2080 graphics processor. Check out the attached screenshot of Lumion Pro 9.0's built-in benchmark tool. Every bar is maxed-out. For what it's worth, right out of the box and before I got all the drivers updated, the bars were all closer to the 90-95th percentile levels. Update your drivers, people! AutoCAD, Revit and ArchiCAD all work beautifully and the panning and rotating is buttery-smooth. Also, if you spend any time using CAD or BIM software, you'll recognize how essential it's to run multiple monitors. I haven't yet tried attaching a second display to the GS75's HDMI or Thunderbolt output, but I can confirm that the 17" HD screen does give you just enough space to have a decently sized working window open along with a properties or layout panel open, too, and that was one of my most important priorities when I started my laptop search. Second, I needed a powerful, yet inconspicuous machine that I could take to a meeting and open up on the conference table and not look like I thought I was showing up to a LAN party or eSports arena. While not what I would consider discreet or entirely "professional-looking," the GS75's gold accents are subdued enough to stand out in a good way, and I love that it doesn't look like some run-of-the-mill MacBook or Dell. Out of the box, the individually-lit keys on the SteelSeries keyboard blink slowly in a splashing pattern that's beautiful, but a little distracting in a professional setting. I changed them to a soft, uniform colored backlight which looks great, and the keys themselves, while not giving you the solid feedback you get from a full mechanical keyboard, are very nice to type with and have a very pleasing action and sound. Also, the slim form factor is absolutely amazing and, while not light-weight, isn't tough to lug around on an extended site visit. Honestly, I can't say enough about this machine. I received a few games as a promo from nVidia for purchasing a rig with an RTX card inside. Again, not a gamer, but I installed Metro Exodus to see what I was missing out on. Using ME's built-in benchmark utility and with all the settings maxed-out on "Ultra," the GS75 managed to pump out absolutely gorgeous frames at an average rate of 45.27 per second (see attached screenshot), good to be within what they deem to be the 99th percentile. The framerate did dip below 30 fps during a few of the scenes with especially complex lighting and modeling, but I'm fairly confident that as the drivers for the new RTX hardware continue to evolve and the developers hone their techniques. Further, while some may be disappointed that the display isn't full 4K resolution and doesn't have touch capacity, I prefer a nice, 1920 x 1080 display. It's better for battery life and graphics speed, and I really don't have much use for a touchscreen that'sn't in a tablet form factor, especially with all the fingerprints that come with it. I absolutely love this laptop. There are, however, a few negatives: 1. Windows 10 Home. I need several of the Windows 10 Pro features to use this as my work laptop, so if you don't have an upgrade code handy, it will cost you another $100 or so to upgrade to Pro. 2. Be prepared to spend a lot of time updating drivers and utilities out of the box. Between Windows updates, nVidia drivers and utilities, MSI Dragon utilities, various drivers for all of the specialized hardware, plus any of the Steam, Epic, Origin, etc. game distribution platforms that you may be invested in, it will likely take you several hours of downloading updates before you can start playing with your new toy. 3. If you're trying to take advantage of the 3-game nVidia RTX bundle, make sure you've already upgraded to the latest nVidia Experience software before you try to redeem the codes. Otherwise you'll be stuck in a loop where the software directs you to the website to redeem the codes, but the website insists that you redeem the codes through the software. 4. I was unable to adjust the backlighting on the SteelSeries keyboard before updating the SteelSeries Engine 3 software several times. The software would let me make changes to the keyboard RGB configuration, but they wouldn't take effect. In fact, a version of the SteelSeries Engine software that was actually able to change the keyboard effects wasn't released until a few days after I received the laptop, and even now it's still a little hit and miss. Sometimes it will allow me to make changes in real time, and other times the changes won't take effect until after perform a full reboot. 5. The Windows key is in an odd location on the right side of the keyboard. While not a huge deal, it's a minor inconvenience when switching back and forth between a standard keyboard and the laptop. 6. The 512GB NVMe SSD is a little cramped. Once I loaded on my CAD, BIM and rendering software, I was left with only 100GB of free space. Loading a large BIM project or a AAA game would eat up much of the remaining space. While I'm thankful that MSI made it so simple to add additional NVMe drives by removing the back panel (even though one of the slots is only SATA M.2 capable), I feel like the SSD that comes with a $3,000 laptop should offer a little more breathing room, especially when it's geared for huge games. 7. There is no fingerprint reader on this device. That'sn't necessarily a negative, but if you read some of the asked and answered questions on the Amazon listing for this device, several people are insisting that this laptop comes with a fingerprint reader. That'sn't the case. 8. I don't love that the power connection is on the side of the device. I understand that the cooling system spans the entire back of the laptop and doesn't leave room for the power connection at the rear, but a side connection isn't optimal practically or aesthetically. I wish more laptop manufacturers would emulate Apple's MagSafe power cord connection. I understand that there's probably a patent barrier, but it prevents a laptop from being damaged or yanked right off the desk or table if someone trips on or snags a trailing power cord. 9. Finally, another power cord related problem. It appears that my power cord got kinked during manufacture, packaging or shipping. It arrived with a split in the wire loom that exposes the wires running through the cord. The wires are still insulated to it'sn't a safety hazard, but it was a little disappointing to open the box for such an expensive machine and find out that it had already been damaged. I haven't found these power cables available online for sale by themselves, yet, but it operates fine, so I doubt I'll pursue the hassle of an RMA request. Just a little disappointing. In the grand scheme of things, all these negatives border on being nitpicky. This machine is absolutely fantastic, and I doubt that anyone will be disappointed.
I would recommend this to a friend