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Greating value gaming laptop with great designPosted
======= Summary ======= The Legion Y530 is a well-designed and performant laptop with only one shortcoming - no SSD hard drive. The build is great, the thin-bezel display is awesome, it contains great components, and is a pleasure to use everyday. With its easy upgradeability, the Y530 will offer many years of service for most people. *Pro's: 1. Thin display bezels. 2. Relatively light and thin for a gaming laptop. 3. Excellent keyboard and touchpad. 4. Good design & build quality (despite being plastic). 5. Good selection of ports. 6. Decent gaming performance thanks to the GeForce GTX 1050 Ti GPU. 7. Easy access to internals for system upgrade. 8. Minimal amount of bloatware. Easily removable. *Con's: 1. Slower than a system with a SSD drive. 2. No Thunderbolt 3. ======= Design & Build Quality ======= There are lots of thing I like about the design and build quality of the Legion Y530. For a gaming laptop, it's relatively light at ~5 lbs and pretty thin. The laptop is all black and looks like a serious machine - no blingy red LED's and no flamboyant design curves, angular lines, or flourishes. I appreciate the toned-down design and subtlety. The parts of the laptop that you interact with the most feel nice despite being made of all plastic. The lid has a nice texture and radial pattern to it that makes the Legion look and feel different from other typical plastic laptops. Stains are easily resisted and cleaning up is simple and quick. The glowing white LED that illuminates the "Y" symbol inside the letter O is also very cool without being garish. The hinge is well-designed and enables one to easily open the lid with just one finger. It is also firm & sturdy and holds up the screen very well. Also nice is the soft-touch keyboard base, the smooth touchpad, and the textured touchpad buttons. The keyboard buttons with their "just-right" travel distance and responsiveness lead to comfortable typing and gaming experiences. The keyboard has white LED backlighting with two different brightness levels (FN + Spacebar to toggle between Brightness Level 1, Level 2, and Off). I LOVE that the backlighting doesn't turn off automatically after some idle time (Acer take note~!). Despite lacking aluminum and not being "premium", I'd give it a 8.5 out of 10 for design & build quality. ======= Display ======= The 1920x1080 Full HD 15.6" matte display, surrounded by those thin bezels, is quite nice. At normal viewing distance, everything is crispy and clear. For general-purpose web viewing and gaming, the display is perfectly adequate and appropriate. It doesn't get very bright at 250 nits but I'm satisfied. I LOVE how I can lift the lid with just one finger and how the display can be pushed back up to 180 degrees. ======= Speakers ======= The speakers sound nice and full with its Harman Kardon speakers with Dolby Audio tuning. Compared to skinny ultrabooks, such as my HP Spectre 13, the Legion Y530's speakers sound louder, fuller, more dynamic, and has a wider soundstage. Bass, of course, is weak but that is to be expected from a laptop. Listening to music and playing games was more than satisfactory and enjoyable. ======= Network & Connectivity Options ======= The Legion Y530 comes equipped with Realtek PCI Express Gigabit ethernet and Realtek 8822BE 802.11AC Wifi. I experienced no connectivity or connection speed issues. Everything was peachy. ======= Ports ======= A healthy number and types of ports are offered - 3x USB 3.0 Type A, 1x USB Type C Gen 1, 1x ethernet, 1x HDMI, and 1x mini-Display port. The ports suit my needs perfectly and I have no complaints. For my personal usage, not having a Thunderbolt port is not a loss. ======= Performance ======= The performance of the Legion Y530 has been a mixed bag for me. Due to its traditional 7200 RPM HDD (1TB Seagate BarraCuda Pro), the laptop boots slow (53 seconds to Windows log-in prompt from cold boot) and Windows 10 initialization is laggy. It took 2 minutes before I could start launching my Chrome browser. App installations take relatively long times compared to systems with a SSD hard drive. Same for Windows 10 updates. Fortunately, things do get better later on. Once Windows 10 has been fully initialized and all the background processes have been completed, the laptop kicks in and begins to perform very well. With Intel's 8th-generation Coffee Lake 8750H processor (6-core, 12-thread) and 8GB of DDR4-2666 RAM, the Legion Y530 pushes through everything effortlessly. I had no issues multitasking with Chrome (~25 tabs), Word, and YouTube. Gaming is executed smoothly as well as long as you don't crank up all the in-game settings to Very High or Ultra (dependent on the game, of course). In order to experience the full potential of the Legion Y530, one has to be plugged in and change the Power Options to "High Performance" inside the Windows Mobility Center. Otherwise, games don't run very well, especially on just battery power. Besides, the battery would quickly run down to empty in about an hour anyways without the charger. I mainly played 3 games on the Legion - Far Cry 5 (2018), Deus Ex Mankind Divided (2016), and Rise of the Tomb Raider (2016). The Rise of the Tomb Raider ran the best and allowed me to turn on most of the graphics settings to High. I obtained the following results in the in-game benchmark test: -Mountain Peak: 54.32 FPS (min: 25.32, max: 110.61) -Syria: 48.83 FPS (min: 3.11, max: 86.88) -Geothermal Valley: 43.04 FPS (min: 5.39, max: 93.04) -Overall score: 48.48 FPS Deus Ex Mankind Divided was harder on the GeForce GTX 1050 Ti. In order to get smooth frames, I had to lower the quality settings quite a bit to this: -Texture Quality: Low -Texture Filtering: Off -Shadow Quality: Medium -Contact Hardening Shadows: Off -Temporal Anti-Aliasing: Off -Motion Blur: On -Depth of Field: Off -Bloom: Off -Volumetric Lighting: Off -Subsurface Scattering: Off -Sharpen: On Playing Far Cry 5 was a lot better and I was able to play smoothly with these settings: -Texture Filtering: High -Shadows: Normal -Geometry & Vegetation: Normal -Environment: Normal -Water: Normal -Terrain: Normal -Volumetric Fog: Low -Anti-aliasing: Off -Motion Blur: On On Geekbench 4.2.3, the Y530 scored 4664 Single-core and 15,197 Multi-core. It performed better than my Samsung Notebook 9 Pro with an Intel Core i7 7500U dual-core CPU (4189 Single-core, 8503 Multi-core) and my HP Spectre 13 with an Intel Core i7 8550U 4-core CPU (4666 Single-core, 12,051 Multi-core). If this Legion Y530 had come with a SSD drive or at least an Intel Optane Memory accelerator, then the overall performance and smoothness of the machine would've been so much better. It's a shame Lenovo cut corners and instead included such a slow spinning hard drive. On the bright side, the prices of the SSD drives have come down greatly and it is easy enough to add one later. *Pro-Tip: After I formatted the Windows drive and freshly installed Windows 10, the Legion Y530 became noticeably more responsive and faster. It's still not as fast as having a SSD drive but the improvement was quite eye-opening. For even more speed, I will be investing in a NVME PCI-Express SSD hard drive shortly to use as my Windows drive. ======= Keyboard & TouchPad ======= As mentioned earlier, both the keyboard and touchpad on the Legion Y530 are excellent. The keys have good travel distance, are responsive, and very comfortable for long-term typing and gaming. I also LOVE the full-sized Arrow Keys and the spacious Number Pad area. My only slight gripe is not having dedicated PgUp & PgDn buttons (you have to use the Fn + Arrow Keys). The Touchpad is accurate and responsive to use thanks to Microsoft's Precision driver. Setting up custom touchpad gestures is easy and it works very well. The touchpad buttons make a clickity sound but not to the point of being annoying. My Legion's touchpad buttons didn't sound as loud as it did in some YouTube reviews I saw. I rate both of them 10 out of 10. ======= Battery Life ======= For a gaming laptop, the battery life I experienced has been excellent. When I'm just browsing the web and not gaming, I can get about 4 to 5 hours of battery life at 80% brightness. During gaming, however, it will last just about 1 hour. ======= Software ======= The Legion Y530 comes with a minimal amout of bloatware. I counted 3 Lenovo apps, 5 third-party games, and some Microsoft apps such as Xbox and Skype. Compared to other manufacturers' bloatware (e.g., Dell, HP), the Legion Y530 comes packed pretty clean. Windows 10 was at version 1709 and I updated to the latest 1803 Build 17134.191 without a hitch. ======= Upgradeability ======= The Legion Y530 offers several options for future component upgrades - DDR4 memory, SATA3 hard drive (HDD or SSD), Wifi module, and PCI-Express NVME M.2 2280 SSD hard drive. To upgrade, one removes 11 Philips screws from the bottom of the laptop and pop off the bottom cover. The bottom cover is held on by numerous plastic tabs so be gentle when popping the cover off to not break them. I HIGHLY recommend everyone to purchase a NVME M.2 2280 SSD drive and install it to greatly increase system responsiveness and performance. ======= My Verdict ======= The Legion Y530 is a good value entry-level gaming laptop with a great design, slim-bezel display, awesome keyboard and touchpad, great audio, and very decent hardware (6-core Intel Core i7, 8GB DDR4 RAM, and GeForce GTX 1050 Ti 4GB GPU). Its only weakness is the slow traditional spinning hard drive. Either replace it with a SATA SSD hard drive or add an NVME M.2 2280 SSD hard drive and you'll be all set for a smooth and fast computing & gaming experience.
I would recommend this to a friend
Professional laptop or Gamer laptop? BOTHPosted
So I have had this laptop for about a month now, and I wanted to find things wrong with it, because of the price point and what it says it could deliver. That was a battle of the ages, because I am very impressed with it. It is an ideal mix of professional laptop and gaming laptop. It would be overkill for a person needing a laptop to read emails and surf the web, but if you are looking at the contents of the laptop, this would be the one for you. PROS - Very thin for the power - FAST - Did I mention it was fast? - IPS panel with a 1,920-by-1,080-pixel native resolution and an anti-glare coating. 1080p full HD panel - No bogging down when installing of several things at once - Great solid, Sturdy build quality - Battery Life was about 6 ½ hours of actual use. I tweaked the screen brightness some, but for the most part it was normal brightness. - No extra crazy gamer aesthetics, like several are turning to nowadays. - Super-slim bezels. - Bluetooth connection integration - HD gaming is slick and smooth rendering - Connection to Wireless-AC router capability, which is ~3x faster than Wireless-N - Keyboard has number pad on the right side. - Built-in webcam that is High definition (my last laptop camera was nothing near as good as this) - Web Cam is located on the bottom of the screen (So many times you see the person looking down, and don’t see their eyes, because they look at the screen. However, this one you can actually see their eyes, because they are looking up/across, rather than down. Granted, you have to have the screen pointed a decent amount upward (~135 degrees) to get your face centered, but when you use it, that wouldn’t really matter. - Big fans to keep the laptop cool (See also cons) - Very responsive and good pop on the keyboard. I have had several laptops that the typing just seems off, between travel distance and pressure needed to work. This one is extremely good, and I feel that it is instant, and with other keyboards, there is a slight delay, and I find myself fixing the space bar errors, when they were hit nearly the same time. I type about 100 words per minute, so other keyboard don’t always keep up. - HDMI plugin to hook up a TV or large monitor (My kids love it when I plug in to watch videos. - Speakers are well above average, with Harman/Kardon speakers, that have DTS virtual surround sound. - Headphone/microphone combo jack. - Power plug is located in the back, so it doesn’t block my mouse like almost every other laptop has. - HDMI plug in the back, so cords can be hidden - Record with Gamebar (a new button between the PrtSc and Ctrl on the right side of the spacebar. It lets you mark things as games, and record video. - There is a Fn button that turns off the mouse pad, for those inadvertent touches if you have a mouse, and never use the track pad. I have run into issues with other laptops, where the bottom of my palm/thumb gets near it, and it thinks I am trying to use the mouse pad. This one seems smarter that that. CONS (nothing is a deal breaker) - Not the largest hard drive (256GB Solid date Hard Drive). I had 1TB in my previous laptop, so I had to decide what to keep and purge (Suppose that is a good thing). But there was an option for a larger HD that was not Solid State. - No standalone home/end/PgUp/PgDn buttons. You have to use the Fn button with the left/right/down/up arrows to use them. I use those sooo many times, and am faster than using a mouse, but it took me a while to get used to not having them in there. - Large fans sound like a jet ready to take off (Also see positive because it keeps the laptop) - No CD/DVD tray (for those of you who want to watch a DVD on your laptop). You will have to buy a USB one - Left/right mouse pad click buttons are louder than I would expect. I do a lot of late night work, while my kids sleep, so yes, I did notice it. About the laptop: It was a very unique and different looking laptop, when I first opened the box. The weight is a good weight (~5 lbs), and doesn’t feel like it is going to fall onto the floor with a slight breeze. The body is entirely plastic, but of a sturdy gauge so it helps keep the cost down. The lid has a radial texture, and I feel like a kid again, because I want to run my fingernails over it to hear the cool zipper-like sound. The laptop is only 5.1 pounds, so the fact that it is thin AND only 5 pounds is quite amazing. Having gaming computers in the past, I can tell you that this one looks the most professional/commercial of all of them. The anti-glare screen really helps me out because I have my back to the window, and previous laptop had some glare to it. It cuts down on reflections, while the overall image quality is pretty good, if not a standout. Also worth complimenting are the panel's thin bezels, which go a long way toward making the system more compact. The border along the bottom is thick, but the top and side bezels are only a quarter of an inch thick. I am sure that allows the laptop to have a smaller footprint than many of the other 15.6-inch screen gaming laptops. I like that the mouse pad buttons are below the pad, and an actual button vs most laptops combine them into 1 long bar, or none at all, and it is built into the pad….never successful, especially with games. This is by far better. The speakers are provided by Harman, and are a little above average. I could hear lots of details in the video games I played, and it seemed pretty crisp. However, I have a nice set of Bluetooth Bose speakers that I connect it to, so I don’t really use the internal speakers anyway. The fact that it also has Bluetooth is pretty awesome. The laptop speakers can get pretty loud for blasting some music or playing a video, but I noted some distortion at the highest volume level. I had it hooked up to my TV and for whatever reason, my TV’s speakers were not working, so my wife just used the laptop for sound, and the kids didn’t mind. Of course when I walked into the room, I noticed. Most of the ports are located on the rear back ledge area, behind the screen. There, you will find a USB Type-C port, a USB 3.1 port, a mini-DisplayPort connection, an HDMI output, an Ethernet jack, and the power connector. In addition, on both sides of the laptop, you'll find an additional USB 3.1 port, while the left side also hosts the headset jack. The laptop also features a 720p webcam, 802.11ac Wi-Fi, and Bluetooth 4.1. I think that is a LOT of ports to include in a single laptop. More than my previous laptops, that’s for sure. If you are looking to play Virtual Reality games with this laptop, you might want to consider a different laptop. That is some very intense processing, and I don’t think this would handle it. For standard gaming, this is great. So when it comes to RAM, I use a lot of it. I have chrome windows open with tabs galore. I probably have about 4 different Chrome windows open at the same time, and anywhere from 4 to 20 tabs in there too. I did not notice any lag in the loading, which my previous laptop did. Could be just me, but it seems to focus more memory to the places it needs it. Maybe that is a Windows 10 thing, but either way, it makes the things fast, that I want fast. With 8 GB of memory and an Intel Core i7+ 8th Generation, it is pretty blazing fast. If you wanted to improve the memory, there is a 16GB and that is like lightning. The fans are on the bottom back of the laptop, but kick out the air in the end of the laptop, so it doesn’t roast your legs when you have it on your lap. After all, it is a “laptop.” Bloatware Schmoteware. This laptop comes with very little bloatware. Sure it comes with the Windows stuff, but that’s not the laptop maker’s fault. McAfee comes with it (probably a subscription) which I typically uninstall, because it slows things down. However, this laptop is beefy enough that I can leave it installed, and not have to worry. The Lenovo Legion Y530 laptop is a great budget gaming laptop, but you wouldn’t know it, by the look of it (Materials used look high-end). It is very sleek, distinctive build, alongside solid performance and lots of connections, including HDMI.
I would recommend this to a friend
Lenovo Product Expert
Thank you for choosing the Lenovo Legion Y530 laptop. This model ships with a 1TB 7200RPM standard hard drive with 16GB of Intel Optane Memory, essentially making this a hybrid drive. As far as cooling and the fan system of the Legion Y530, it features a dual-channel thermal system, offering multiple benefits: individual CPU and GPU cooling, for cooler system temperatures; four thermal vents, for improved airflow; and 70 individual fan blades per channel, to reduce system noise. We are pleased to hear that the Legion Y530 is working out so well for you.
Excellent Redesign. This Model Could be Improved.Posted
Lenovo Legion Y530 (81FV0001US) Setup/Testing/Conclusion The Lenovo Legion Y530 (81FV0001US). Packed with an Intel i7 8750H, 8GB DDR4 2666 memory, and an Nvidia 4GB GeForce GTX 1050 Ti. Let’s go ahead and dive right in and see how this budget Gaming Laptop performs. Right off the bat, the Intel i7 8750H is an excellent CPU. You’re looking at the successor to the widely popular Intel i7 7700HQ which is what was used a lot in previous gaming laptops. With the Intel i7 8750H, you’re going to be getting about a 10% increase in single core performance and about a 15 ~ 25% increase in multi-core performance. The Nvidia 4GB GeForce GTX 1050 Ti isn’t the fastest or considered a “high end” GPU, but it’s definitely considered as one of the best (if not the best) budget GPU. This specific version of the Lenovo Legion Y530 only comes with 8GB of memory and a traditional mechanical hard drive. So before I even ran any games, my expectations weren’t going to be through the roof. I mean we’re looking at a budget gaming rig here, not a top of the line gaming beast. So now that we got that out the way, let’s go ahead and see what this combo brings to the table. As expected, this specific Lenovo Legion Y530 performs decent. As mentioned previously, it’s not going to be the fastest out there; but it’s definitely not the slowest. So if you’re looking to play everything on ultra presets and expect incredible frames per second, I would probably invest in a pretty high end gaming rig. If you’re looking to play games on a combination of low ~ medium presets, you’ll be just fine with this Lenovo Legion Y530 model. I was able to run games like Counter-Strike Global Offensive (140 FPS), Battlefield 1 (60 FPS), Tom Clancy’s The Division (60 FPS), GTA V (55 FPS), and Diablo 3 (95 FPS) without any FPS drops. I did for a weird reason encounter micro stutters/skips while gaming though. With the Legion Y530, I didn’t have a problem taking it around. Because of it’s subtle and sleek design, it doesn’t scream “GAMING”; yet it doesn’t look like an ordinary laptop. I personally enjoy the black design and look of the laptop. Although the Y530 is made majority of plastic, it's still quite durable and still looks good. Lenovo changed the backlit keyboard from red to white which looks a lot better. The bezels around the screen (left, top, and right) are also quite thin compared to the last years model. Because of the thin bezel change, the webcam was moved to below the screen. So if you plan on using the webcam, be prepared to show off your nose and in addition to the other party seeing your knuckles a lot if you're typing. But, I’ll definitely make that trade any day; smaller bezels vs having the camera at the top. If you currently own the last year’s model, you’ll also notice that a lot of the ports have been placed in the back of the laptop. You’ll still have access to a USB 3.1 port on either side of the laptop. The reason for this is so that it offers better cooling. Overall, the thermals on the Y530 is pretty decent. When gaming, the CPU did get pretty hot (95c ~ 97c) while the GPU didn’t really heat up that much. The fans do get quite loud under load so make sure you have some headphones on. When it comes to the picture/screen quality, I wasn’t as impressed. I wished it was a bit brighter and the color reproduction was better. So if you were to use the Y530 in a more lit environment, you may have some difficulty viewing the screen. The 52.5Wh 3-cell lithium ion battery lasted about 4 hours with my usage which is typically expected with these type of setups. If you’re gaming on it constantly, the battery probably won’t last as long as 4 hours. So be prepared to bring your charger with you! Here are a couple breakdown of pros and cons that I would like to mention as my own opinion: Pros: Very sleek at subtle design No bloatware Decent all around performance Cons: Display (not as bright as others and colors are a bit spongy) Why GTX 1050 Ti? Would've liked to see at least a 1060. Lenovo also offers a 144Hz screen so it only makes sense to have a more powerful GPU… Wished battery lasted longer In conclusion, this Lenovo Legion Y530 has pretty decent all around performance. I didn’t experience any frame rate drops during gaming but did experience micro stutters. My settings on average were around low ~ medium (Nvidia Presets/Recommended). I would’ve liked to see Lenovo release all Legion Y530 with a GTX 1060 and a SSD by default (as this specific model comes with a traditional mechanical hard drive). I know they have other models but from what I could find; GTX 1050 Ti is all they have currently. Overall, I would give this specific model 3 out of 5 stars. Lenovo did do an excellent job by ditching the red and making the Legion Y530 very sleek (excellent redesign Lenovo!). Where it falls short on this specific model is with the traditional mechanical hard drive and the GTX 1050 Ti. Because of no SSD, the boot times and load times are pretty excruciating. I would say that if you’re on a really tight budget, this specific model may be for you. But if you’re able to dish out some more money for the version with an SSD, I would definitely recommend that. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Specs Windows 10 15.6” Full HD Display Intel Core i7 8750H (2.2GHz / 4.1GHz Turbo) 8GB DDR4 2666MHz Memory 1TB Hard Drive 7200 rpm Nvidia GeForce GTX 1050 Ti 4GB 52.5 Wh 3-Cell Lithium Ion Battery Built-in Harman/Kardon Speakers Built-in HD Webcam Headphone/Microphone Combo Jack USB 3.0 x2 USB 3.1 USB-C HDMI Output Mini Display Port Wireless + Gigabit Ethernet LAN Port Kensington Lock Slot Weighs 5.07 lbs. and Measures 1” Thin --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- What's in the box? Lenovo Legion Y530-15ICH Lenovo 135W Power Adapter Various Manuals
No, I would not recommend this to a friend
Lenovo Product Expert
The Lenovo Legion Y530, model number 81FV0001US, ships with the 8th Generation Intel Core i7-8750H 6-core/12-thread processor, a major improvement over 7th Generation processors. Up to a 30% performance improvement. This configuration has a 1920 x 1080 (FHD) resolution screen with a brightness level 0f 300 nits. Cooling within the Legion Series is new and improved, it features a dual-channel thermal system, offering multiple benefits: individual CPU and GPU cooling, for cooler system temperatures; four thermal vents, for improved airflow; and 70 individual fan blades per channel, to reduce system noise. The standard hard drive within this configuration has a speed of 7200RPM with a capacity of 1TB. Please keep in mind, this model is not user upgradable. A certified technician must do all of the work, so as to not void the warranty.
Finally, Power and Portability in a Gaming LaptopPosted
Design: The Lenovo Legion Y530 is a powerful laptop with a sleek design. This is my first gaming laptop, mostly because I had not found a good hybrid between gaming power and portability until now. I find it to be just thin and light enough to consider it portable, which is great because I am on the go quite often. Although color scheme is not a priority of mine, I like the subtle black exterior with a white illuminated keyboard and logo on the lid. Most of the ports are on the back of the laptop, the impressively effective fans are underneath, and the power button is in the middle above the keyboard. Typing and using the various keys on the keyboard is easy thanks to the sufficient spacing and key size. My only complaint is that the touchpad feels a bit awkward to use due to the location, size, and left/right click buttons instead of a touchpad that clicks down, but that feeling has improved as I have gotten used to it. However, while at home, I prefer to use a mouse. Overall, I think the Lenovo Legion Y530 is a well-designed laptop. Features: The speakers are good, but I have heard better quality sound on several other similar laptops. If you usually use headphones, this may not matter much, but I was expecting better sound quality, especially since it is highlighted as a feature of this Lenovo Legion Y530. The HD webcam is very clear, so I have no complaints there. Since this is a gaming laptop, there is plenty of memory, a powerful processor, and great graphics. Even standard use, such as browsing the internet or watching videos, is enjoyable due to the speed and quality of the content displayed on the screen. The battery lasts quite a while for a gaming laptop, but it does not last me the whole day if I use the laptop frequently. However, the battery does charge relatively quickly. I think you get a lot of great features with this laptop. Gaming: With impressive graphics and lots of processing power, gaming sessions on this laptop are fantastic. I have experienced nothing but smooth gameplay, and the graphics are great on all the games that I have played. Connecting to Wi-Fi was a breeze, and the connection has always remained stable and fast, even during online games that require a lot of bandwidth. As a longtime gamer, I am impressed and would definitely recommend this laptop to fellow gamers. Verdict: The Lenovo Legion Y530 is the perfect blend of power and portability for gaming and everyday use. As opposed to other gaming laptops with flashy designs and colors, I like the subtlety and sleekness of this laptop. Processing power is not compromised due to the compact design, and my gaming sessions on this laptop have not disappointed me. Although it is not perfect in all aspects, if you are looking for a gaming laptop that is also great for everyday use, then look no further. I recommend the Lenovo Legion Y530 to others with confidence.
I would recommend this to a friend
Lenovo Product Expert
Thank you for choosing the Lenovo Legion Y530 laptop. We are pleased to hear that the value, features and performance of the Legion Y530 meets your computing needs so well.
no dual SO-DIMMs, no Optane, NO GO for 81FV0001USPosted
This review focuses on the 81FV0001US build of Lenovo's Legion Y530 (81FV) gaming laptop. (I will be posting a far more detailed review of the 81FV000US2 build of the Legion Y530 elsewhere.) The 81FV0001US has these build distinctions: Intel Core-i7 8750H hexa-core CPU; 1x8GB (8GB as single-channel) Samsung, 2667MHz, DDR4, SO-DIMM (M471A1K3CB1-CTD); 1TB Seagate, 7200RPM, Barracuda Pro (ST1000LM049-2GH172), SATA 3.1 HD. [Aside from using the same CPU and SATA HD, the 81FV0001US is the significantly lesser sibling to build 81FV0002US. The 81FV0002US has 2x8GB (16GB as dual-channel) DDR4 SO-DIMMs and the 1TB Seagate Barracuda Pro HD is RAID accelerated by a 16GB Intel Optane Memory m.2/NVMe 3.0 module. These differences are VERY significant improvements over the 81FV0001US' build.] After *four* Lenovo UEFI/BIOS firmware updates, after *five* months of driver updates, there is very little to recommend the 81FV000US1 build... Simply put, the 81FV000US1 build is a *gaming* and *general computing* failure for several reasons: A) The 8GB of system memory exists as one single SO-DIMM module. The system board is *designed* for DUAL CHANNEL system memory. While using only one SO-DIMM slot will function, it will do so using a 64-bit channel width, rather than a 128-bit dual-channel (that would result from installing 2x4GB SO-DIMM modules). The limited memory bandwidth is unlikely to directly affect nVidia 1050Ti game play, but it will slow down memory copy operations and diminish Intel UHD Graphics 630 performance, among other useful things (like Hyper-V). B) That same 8GB memory constraint causes many AAA games to hang during startup, even with a Win 10 auto-spec-ed 8GB pagefile, simulating 16GB of total system memory. 4k-capable AAA titles that never loaded for me: Halo 5 Forge, Final Fantasy XV, Rise of the Tomb Raider. C) You will never come close to experiencing Seagate's 160MB/sec Barracude Pro data transfer rates on a 81FV000US1 and it's not the SATA HD's fault. The 8GB of SO-DIMM as single channel, combined with the absence of an Optane Memory module, is going to cripple the Barracuda Pro's overall performance. Every dip into the Win10 Pagefile is going to massively tie up I/O resources. Instead of 100MB/sec transfers, you're going to get 20MB/sec (or less). Pagefile I/O demands will also cause very annoying and prolonged disappearances of the on-screen mouse pointer (lasting as long as 5 minutes per disappearance). You can still Tab-key around the UI, so, Win 10 is NOT hung. (Sometimes, invoking and cancelling Ctrl-Alt-Del will quickly recover a spuriously lost mouse pointer.) It turns out that Optane Memory is not just a SATA HD RAID accelerator, Optane also augments system memory, doubly reducing the overall system resource pain of going to the Pagefile. [The 81FV000US1 "passes" every Lenovo Vantage diagnostic, so no component part is broken/marginal. But the I/O contention is so bad that the 81FV000US1 takes 5-7 times longer to complete the exact same "deep" Lenovo Vantage HW diagnostic than a 81FV000US2!] D) There is an ongoing driver bug in the Win 10 driver for the Intel(R) USB 3.1 eXtensible Host Controller - 1.10 (Microsoft). You won't run into the problem until/unless you continuously connect any USB Mass Storage device into one or more of the external USB ports. This driver does not properly support Hybrid Sleep (aka Hibernation/Faststart) mode, resulting in mysterious system hangs during Hibernation. (Troubleshooting this required the use of Reliability History, Event Viewer logs and command line, "powercfg -energy".) Of course, Lenovo ships Win 10 Legion Y530s with Hybrid Sleep enabled (as specified in Advanced Power Settings). Once you manually disable Hibernation/Faststartup, these mysterious Hibernation hangs will abate. The Y530 is always able to go into Sleep Mode S3 without hanging. This bug only happens with semi-permanently attached USB storage (like those nifty, low profile USB 3.0 "Fit" drives). E) Other annoying sources of ongoing system instability: the installation of Windows 10 Home on 81FV0001US IS NOT THE SAME as the installation on 81FV0002US. The 81FV0001US Win10 installation looks as though it was sysprep-ed from a sloppy Win7-to-Win10 upgrade, not sysprep-ed from a *clean* Win10 install. Hence, idiotic things, like the previously mentioned Hybrid Sleep Hybernation enabled system hangs and TONS of Windows Side-by-Side code, lingering from a Win7-to-Win10 upgrade-in-place, waiting to be run (and crashing) on this 81FV0001US - like LockApp.exe and FilePicker.exe (executables that are NEVER INVOKED To RUN on a 81FV0002US). There are also Lenovo code assemblies crazily installed into \Windows\system32\drivers on the 81FV0001US, when equivalent Lenovo assemblies are more properly installed into \Program Files and/or \Program Files (x86) and/or [User]\AppData on 81FV0002US. This is massively sloppy work on Lenovo's part, of which Lenovo Techincal Support is largely unaware of. While a grand mal reinstalltion of Windows 10 would solve the problem, end users can't be certain of auto-magically pulling down all of the necessary Lenovo drivers and support software to make that grand mal redo work smoothly. That's why sysprep is supposed to be used, take a factory sanctioned, clean OS install, plus OEM drivers and utilities, and then roll it all up for mass deployment. The only way buying a 81FV0001US build from Lenovo makes reasonable sense might be if you think you can upgrae it yourself, at a lower price, than what Lenovo is charging for the "missing" components (second 8GB DDR4 SO-DIMM, 16GB m.2/NVMe 3.0 Optane module), which, pricewise, is unlikely. The main problem with post-purchase upgrades in 2018/2019 is component prices of memory. The idiotic block-chain mining craze continues unabated, driving memory (and GPU) prices to obscene levels. I really don't think that quality components can be had for lower prices than what Lenovo is charging for 2x8GB of system memory and a 16GB Optane m.2/NVMe. So, then, why not just buy the 81FV0002US? Recommended minimum upgrades to 81FV000US1: - matched pair of quality 8GBx2 (=16GB) DDDR4 2666MHz SO-DIMMs - 16GB Optane m.2/NVMe 3.0 module - Windows 10 Pro Ultimate 81FV000US1 upgrades: - matched pair of quality 16GBx2 (=32GB) DDR4 2666MHz SO-DIMMs - 32GB Optane m.2/NVMe 3.0 module - 2TB Barracuda Pro SATA 3.1 HD - Windows 10 Pro The latter memory and Optane configuration is not sold by Lenovo, even though the Legion Y530 could run with them. Dual channel SO-DIMMs will not speed up game play, but Windows 10 Pro performance will improve, especially as you enable Optional Features that expand the uselfulness of the Y530 beyond just gaming. Veteran system builders will tell you that matched SO-DIMM pairs (from the same manufacturing wafer batch) will reduce the odds of memory problems as the chips age in use. With 16GB of system memory and a Win 10 auto-sized 16GB pagefile, you will be able to load and play most AAA games. 32GB is highly recommended if you want to venture into the realm of gaming on Hyper-V. (Surprisingly, that works with on a Hyper-V Host accessing 16GB of physical system memory, with very little performance differences, as long as a 16GB Optane m.2/MVME3.0 is augmenting the Barracuda Pro HD and system memory.) While Lenovo only sells the 16GB Optane m.2/MVMe module, that 16GB MVMe brings the Barracuda Pro's sequential and random reads pretty darn close to pure SSD speeds. Win 10 boots faster, programs load very quickly and Win 10 runs smooth as silk with many things running all at once. (The 32GB version of Optane allows for permanent pinning of highly used data inside the m.2/NVMe module. 32GB is the most reviewed consumer Optane module and permanent pinning further closes the HD gap with native SSDs.) The performance of the 1TB and 2TB Seagate Barracuda Pro-s are nearly identical. In combination with Optane, that's akin to 1TB or 2TB of very near SSD storage at a fraction of the price. No one ever finds that they have enough storage and the "game library" is where the local bits will runs from. While Microsoft grudingly ports more functionality to Windows 10 Home in dribs and drabs, Home is still a crippled platform. System management and System Security are leveraged in tandem on Pro. The minimum OS to run in a reliably secure manner over time is Win 10 Pro. I will just assert that without further elaboration. Lenovo will sell Pro for only US$50 more. A legally "free" upgrade from Home to Pro can still be had with any legally licensed and currently unused Windows 7 Pro product key.
No, I would not recommend this to a friend